Dhruv is a part journalist and part activist and a full-time YouTuber. Dhruv is famous for his political and social commentary. He is quickly becoming the face of the alternative media movement in India Annotations: @1.45 Dhruv Rathee's inception @5.31 Risks involved with the content that Dhruv produces @7.40 Communicating that Dhruv's research methods are as objective as they can be @11.09 "The interpretation problem" (JNU as reference) @15.4 Dhruv's history with AAP @17.35 Should we criticize the opposition more than the center? @19.26 The Situation of Oil prices @23.45 How do we go about tackling corona @30.25 Risks of comparing India with Pakistan? @35.10 Scandinavian countries and the pinnacle of human development @36.15 Decentralization of power to make states more independent? @44.55 What content does Dhruv Rathee consume? @46.28 The Arnab Goswami situation @51.32 Online trolls, IT Cells and the Indian National Congress @57.00 The future of Alternate-media in India Connect with us online: pgradio.com @pgradio.live on Instagram
Dhruv is a part journalist and part activist and a full-time YouTuber. Dhruv is famous for his political and social commentary. He is quickly becoming the face of the alternative media movement in India
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@1.45 Dhruv Rathee's inception
@5.31 Risks involved with the content that Dhruv produces
@7.40 Communicating that Dhruv's research methods are as objective as they can be
@11.09 "The interpretation problem" (JNU as reference)
@15.4 Dhruv's history with AAP
@17.35 Should we criticize the opposition more than the center?
@19.26 The Situation of Oil prices
@23.45 How do we go about tackling corona
@30.25 Risks of comparing India with Pakistan?
@35.10 Scandinavian countries and the pinnacle of human development
@36.15 Decentralization of power to make states more independent?
@44.55 What content does Dhruv Rathee consume?
@46.28 The Arnab Goswami situation
@51.32 Online trolls, IT Cells and the Indian National Congress
@57.00 The future of Alternate-media in India
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Prakhar (0s): Thank you so much Drew for doing this. I like I was saying I have a let's say I'm not much of a media consumer. I don't consume a lot of content, but given that I do a podcast now I have to go over people's what people say and what people think before I approached them. It's just generally better and I found and I found for myself. Has that I have a very eclectic taste. It depends there is a lot of variation with with respect to what I like and what I don't like and I really found what you have to say very digestible and given that even saying something like that to do variety will be get both a volume of compliments and a volume of criticism to me and to prove you know it I will not shy from saying the fact that it's the Precision and being concise and all of that is fine, but you're also very fair like you will stick to what you think.
Very thoroughly and I like that about you
Prakhar (1m 3s): what I also like about you is thatyou got onto the problem the problem which is my problem with the word very early on so watching your interview with rubbish. I found out that you had very cute articulated the problem very well. It is almost like there is something in the room both through one broker are present in the room. We are both looking at the same object, but the description of the object is so contrasted it is like they're not looking at the same thing. So no pull. Ethical discussion no social discussion will be anywhere at all. If proven record are not even looking at the same thing when they're talking right?
Prakhar (1m 38s): And I think that is where you and I both agree. I think this is where our current through both agree, but I won't use somebody who's LED this or I don't know if let is the right word, but somebody who's sort of become the face of the alternative media against the Legacy Media in our times. When did this start? What is this about? Why is Legacy Media failing us? What is what is really happening?
Dhruv (2m 1s): It basically started as a frustration. I would say I felt frustrated seeing the news and how it was trying to it wasn't doing its job properly and I felt like speaking up
Dhruv (2m 16s): and it wasn't something really strong. I just felt like starting and I started that's in it wasn't something big it started very slowly, right?
Prakhar (2m 25s): And here's my here's what here's where my action has sort of departed from what you took a Xanax as action in terms of your relations. I was frustrated equally I was like, yeah how long am I going to spend time synthesizing conversations for people who do not agree. So on one side there is the argument that more these Diaz allow is just a you know gimmick. The other side is saying you don't understand the psychological benefits of you know, ritualizing and I'm like, okay both of those things could be true.
The psychological aspect could be true. But then there is substantive measures that people are stupid as true. Are doing for their country that even arvind kejriwal has the time to do it on Twitter that for that matter was so many scenes do why does the Prime Minister not have the time to address the country and talk about relative issue. So I felt similarly and I in closed systems in closed networks in private conversations. I started synthesizing political conversations, but I've been very afraid or let's say I've been very risk conscious of going all out on social media about my political involvement right for one my fear.
Is that as soon As I say something and through like broccoli you were wrong here. And then I have to defend that we defend that point of view eventually. I got married to that point of view. So I may not have started as such a right wing person. Yeah, right was like this forced marriage with a man
Dhruv (3m 41s):. That's why I this this example you gave of the diya lightning thing. It's something I feel is where both sides are right? It's not an important issue doesn't matter if it's happening or not. So these issues I don't even care about I don't even like to argue about
Prakhar (3m 57s): hmm. So what are the issues you on something?
Dhruv (4m 1s): Do something more critical and more important than just that
Prakhar (4m 4s): hmm, like for instance
Dhruv (4m 6s): for instance the finance bill of 2017, which basically legalized corruption in India. Hmm. I think that's something
Dhruv (4m 16s): more legit happening
Dhruv (4m 18s): which hid the funding of political parties and allowed for corporate funding to be anonymously given that money to be directed to political parties and it poses a much larger danger to the Whole country in the present and in the future and I think if you show if you explain it well to someone everyone would agree that it's something really bad. No matter if you're a BJP supporter or a Congress of worker because all you have to say is that look if today BJP is doing this and it's getting the anonymous corporate funding tomorrow Congress comes in power and it could do the same also and imagine some foreign-funded money getting in there and then it's messed up then
Dhruv (4m 57s): right so your shoes like these which really In my opinion and whether the where there's a clear right and wrong. Those are the issues that I really like to speak about that. Why is it that
Prakhar (5m 8s): say people like I've known them say creepy people like, you know arnab goswami ravikumar. They are not as actively talking about like is there room for a sympathetic interpretation of that law, which is very different from yours. Are you like, you know, really going extremely into the interpretation or is yours the only interpretation possible like why is it That nobody else is screaming about it.
Dhruv (5m 32s): I think many people screamed about it. It just wasn't heard enough. Also whenever I raised the issue, I do really look into the what the other side is saying. I really go through all their articles what they're printed and what the justification they have given is and then I think myself if it's if it
Dhruv (5m 50s): makes sense or it doesn't make sense and then I conclude on basis of that right
Prakhar (5m 56s): and but you do have a certain idea of Risks involved with doing something. So Batman is in the political discourse of India. Why is it that you're willing to take on that amount of risk? I'm genuinely curious. I'm sure you receive death threats. I'm sure people have said
Dhruv (6m 13s): all really honestly to be honest. I haven't received as well. Maybe now I'll give you
Prakhar (6m 17s): one. No, but you haven't received that's what
Dhruv (6m 21s): many people is. No, I mean, of course they're troll comments are there but who cares about them? They don't feel like it at all. It's not like I received a phone call one day saying that stop doing this and we will kill you that didn't
Prakhar (6m 34s): happen. But do you not foresee that happening as you grow? I think I'm
Dhruv (6m 41s): unlike many other people who are trying to do the same thing as me. I'm not trying to be provocative or trying to make someone angry. I'm really trying to understand each sides both sides and presenting an opinion in the most diplomatic way
Prakhar (6m 57s): possible. Right and I want to I want to get to the provocation aspect of it. Right? I want to get to that part because I for one would urge you on to be slightly provocative but not in a negative sense. I'll come to how I mean that but when you say you want to put it in most diplomatically and then you go through this process of reading somebody else's articles, so you And what the other side is saying you've been on record saying something like I shoot my shot at experts to go over my analyses and then you know give our answers and so on I want to
Prakhar (7m 31s): I'm sure people have doubts about Drew Gratis research methods. They wonder if Drew is paid by any party and I'm not caricaturing through the background and what I'm trying to get at is how is it that through ensures how is it that he can communicate to the people through the means of this medium that listen my method of research is as objective as it.
Dhruv (7m 51s): No, I don't try to prove that. That's that's end an endless thing. I can never really make sure that I'm hundred percent correct all the time. And my research is a hundred percent foolproof. I just try my best to make it the best. How do you become responsible a I do apologize and I have made mistakes in the past. Mmm-hmm.
Dhruv (8m 12s): Yeah, but then I learned from them and then I seen future that okay. This is what I did wrong here. So next time I should change my Methodology in a way so this doesn't
Prakhar (8m 21s): happen again. Right? Right, but given that your videos have millions of views. There is a certain amount of responsibility that comes with it say for instance and x and x law is passed in India and throughs interpretation of that law is a sympathetic. He says that listen this law is whatever communal and whatnot turns out in retrospect and this is a question. I asked I mean, I'm into like most political decisions flower in retrospect. It is never really clear going into them. A lot of them. What will happen right? Like is this fresh because Eventually, we end up debating models and models and politics have a significant amount of diverse.
They're not completely tied together. Right? So now through says something which is a sympathetic to this lock right and turns out that that law in retrospect turns out to be very very fair now through whether certain responsibility for causing an outrage for causing a dissatisfaction amongst the people who heard his interpretation. How do you go about tying a knot around that problem
Dhruv (9m 16s): that hasn't happened yet? And the reason I think is because if the interpretation was that open, I would not have doubted it. It's not like it wasn't that open. It was very clear what it was. I mean you literally in my videos. I
Prakhar (9m 31s): normally let people see the
Dhruv (9m 34s): law themselves. So one page law it's there and they can read it themselves. It's written in English. If you write something they cannot be like five different interpretations if it's written that this is
Dhruv (9m 47s): black it cannot be
Prakhar (9m 48s): white. No, no, I mean in all fairness law as a profession is a profession of interpretation, right? We take a legal precedent. We take law statute and then we see how it interprets into and it's not it's not generally just law law is like the perfect manifestation of it but this happens all the time in science and in philosophy like interpretation hermeneutics is an entirely separate field of research. How do you interpret things right? So it is it Ain't it?
Isn't that things speak for themselves and their has obvious at least not to me. I'm I get more lost and I'm sure people who watch you people who watch me get more lost in trying to decipher in these very hyperactive political times that we live in as to what is right and what is wrong I put out a few videos talking about how Legacy Media has betrayed us and there is almost no clear way of ascertaining what the information Matrix is before. I, you know go on to the side my conclusion and people really liked it. So it turns out this is a problem and this
Prakhar (10m 52s): interpretive problem you seem to resolve with so much ease.
Dhruv (10m 56s): I think it's not that it's not there that much if you if you let's talk about some specific examples then maybe I can explain you better
Prakhar (11m 6s): right? So let's talk about Jane you right then you have about jnu
Dhruv (11m 9s): yeah jnu happens and Drew comes out as Li X that happened in jnu is that what yes, right, right, right.
Prakhar (11m 15s): Right, right. This was a I think December January sometime around them. Yeah exactly. Right, right. So December January something like this happen through comes on YouTube bruise, like listen, I condemn the seriously the government has misused their police Powers blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah suddenly. There is a person X who's an influencer on Instagram who does very active right when content he's like listen, you guys don't know here is a video of these guys planning bomb attacks and blah blah blah XYZ a because this is where the interpretation becomes a problem. How do you choose what you're going to believe in? How do you choose what sources accurate?
How do you go about diving into this? Of fake news and you know pseudo facts.
Dhruv (11m 53s): So there was a regarding the jnu attack there was some footage that came up right there was some videos there was some photos that came up in those photos you could see that there were people wearing masks carrying rods and they were entering the university and beating someone up. Yeah, the one thing that you can definitely conclude from that is some
Dhruv (12m 15s): goondas goons entered the university and in another video. Video you can see that the police is standing outside. So
Dhruv (12m 23s): it's a clear-cut conclusion that the police is there, but they still entered the university in a large group and beat people up and then they left the university and the police did nothing right.
Prakhar (12m 35s): So I there's
Dhruv (12m 36s): no two ways of interpreting this I think
Prakhar (12m 39s): okay. Let me complicate a problem and I'll start with being more sympathetic to you. I agree that there is a very large part of the population that desires to put a blind eye to this phenomena. It's obvious get fact a fact be obviously the conclusion is that the police did not help it and to be in all fairness. I think so too. I think there was massive mismanagement. Sure, right. So I'm more sympathetic to your side. However, it gets complicated when I receive a WhatsApp forward from my family group or my XYZ, you know traditional WhatsApp groups where I receive an image of the entire jnu thing being preceded by something which was you know unfair on jnu students has you know, like so
Dhruv (13m 16s): so II read through that regarding the jnu issue, Oh, I read the other side very well. Actually hmm. I read their arguments what they how they want to justify it. But the whole argument was that before this attack happened. There was something else happening in the computer room server these leftists going in the computers room server and destroying the server and that's that's what the worth what step forward say. So basically they present another incident and somehow say Look, you didn't speak about that.
Right that doesn't negate what happened on
Prakhar (13m 54s): that day the some people write it it sort of becomes this race to the bottom who started it first who? Yeah, exactly. Right and it's never clear whose murder
Dhruv (14m 2s): cases. The interpretation is just like oh another incident happened. So what the incident we are talking about is we know what happened there. You also agree to that right and
Prakhar (14m 16s): what I think again to be sympathetic to you what a lot of people don't understand is that that both parties could be wrong.
Dhruv (14m 21s): So I definitely definitely also actually in most cases it's the case that both parties are wrong in some way or other. It's just that one party
Prakhar (14m 30s): with some
Dhruv (14m 31s): small wrong thing and the other parties is Justified their big crime based on that small thing right also also, that's what happened nowadays. Also you see these mob lynchings happening in the attacks against minorities and some people online Justified. Hissing. Oh look 500 years ago. The Muslims came into our country. They were Invaders. That's what they did. Now. We are paying them back. Hmm.
Prakhar (14m 58s): That's how they justify it. Right modern politics is no scope no space for Redemption and I'm with you on that right? I think it is a very I think it's a very contrived argument. However,
Dhruv (15m 10s): however issue should be looked on its own right
Prakhar (15m 15s): very right. I think you've hit the nail and the hammer I think as soon as somebody uses the Leti to sort through instances that happen in the political sphere case-by-case they've lost objectivity for me. There are no longer being fair now, they're mostly part 2 or whatever other left partly. They're just minions. They they're just soldiers now. They're no longer people actually write I think what is very
Prakhar (15m 39s): profoundly obvious on your page that a lot of people don't sort through very easily is that you have a very dismal view a very uncharitable. Begin politician see right? It's not like you support either party. I think you were significantly. How would I say? Impressed maybe is the right word or you're significantly you have a significant liking for the way aam aadmi party does some of it's tough, but it's not clear that you are just like oh a
Dhruv (16m 7s): buckeye. I volunteered for them in 2015. Yeah. Yeah. I did a video for them when I did some graphic designing for them.
Prakhar (16m 17s): Tell me tell me more about it. What happened after?
Dhruv (16m 20s): So nothing really? It's just that after that it broke up just after they won the elections yogendra yadav and Prashant bhushan. They went out of the party and also like I didn't feel that strongly in its favor. Even though right now I would say it's the least corrupt party in India doing a really good job compared to all the other parties,
Prakhar (16m 43s): right? I think people deal with arvind kejriwal on different standards and Rahul Gandhi on Ranger movie on different standards like Narendra Modi dolls, and they have more room to fuck up arvind kejriwal the slightest Omega covid ice maker option key. I kind of stuff, you know, like he did this guy. He cannot he's he's claimed to be cleaned. Oh, no, he cannot
Dhruv (17m 2s): it's like that for everyone every time there's someone who claims to be better than others. The standard is always
Prakhar (17m 8s): higher that for them. Right right you like BR why is the best thing he could have done is like usin everybody is corrupt and slightly less corrupt and then he does Who weigh less corruption? Everybody's like yeah arvind kejriwal could have been that's true. I'm curious. So yeah, I understand right? I share the same dismal view if if people ask me who am I going to vote for? I'm like, I really don't think There is a serious way of dealing with that problem. Like what for the next election would be anybody but busy because 10 years are a good enough time to be given to somebody now.
We need to
Dhruv (17m 39s): restore the balance of power.
Prakhar (17m 41s): That would be my reason and that reason is sort of is a stupid reason like I wish I had better reasons to vote for someone. I wish right? So if within the tirade off the kind of content you produce the my first question to you is don't you think it is a better strategy to go after the opposition. No more than the ruling party the governing party see like
Dhruv (18m 5s): the wettest strategy
Prakhar (18m 6s): for who for let's say for fixing the politics of India. See, here's my problem. Right? It's because we should go
Dhruv (18m 15s): after the opposition more. I mean, I mean with so
Prakhar (18m 18s): I've been undone had a pie chart of the distribution of videos
Dhruv (18m 23s): rated. Yeah, and there's all yogurt should go after the opposition more because it's an all of
Prakhar (18m 28s): us should for myself. No not for you not for you. I mean for fixing the political for fixing the political problem. So here is what I think I think we should criticize movie. No problem. I'm never holding back and I think we should disable criticized the opposition. Because opposition has so blatantly refused to stand up
Prakhar (18m 45s): that the ruling party is allowed whatever the hell so the rhetoric becomes if not more than who round on the coconut vodka Agana and we need a definite change in that direction. So that this part the ruling party's pressure to perform better.
Dhruv (18m 57s): I have another perspective on this specific point. I think that that problem is only only Arisen because currently the media is completely against the opposition. That's why even if they try to raise the voice, we will not hear it.
Prakhar (19m 16s): And you think that is because of their ad model where companies were in Via? Yeah. I see I see
Prakhar (19m 27s): it does not still take away from the fact that it's very hard to binge consume your content right? There is a particular variety of YouTubers who you can binge conceived you're like, you know what I'll just watch everything from the beginning to the end
Prakhar (19m 39s): and the reason why it's difficult to binge-watch your content, which is a problem I face yesterday is that most of it ends on Very depressing note. It's like listen, you're fucked like this is what's going to happen. Right? And I think the problem or I'd say the obstacle with that and that by no means means that you're doing something which is not favorable. I think you're doing a phenomenal job. But the reason it's depressive is because your conversation ends at hashtag opinion, right and hashtag opinion is listen.
These are the facts of what is happening. This is my color of story on this and end of story. There is no discussion about Elation what do we do from here? How do we pick ourselves up from here? What is going to happen? And then what do we do in response of that? And so I want at least for this episode that you and I get into some of the more speculative aspects of things,
Prakhar (20m 28s): right? So you did a video on the oil prices. Can you
Prakhar (20m 34s): try and simplify what really happened and why is the world not screaming about oil prices right now
Dhruv (20m 42s): because everyone thinks that things will go back to normal as In one or two
Prakhar (20m 47s): months and what do you think? Will they
Dhruv (20m 50s): I do think so more or less. I'm absolutely the very start going towards normal. I won't say like they will become normal suddenly, but the trend will start going towards that hmm.
Prakhar (21m 3s): Hmm. How do you imagine that happening? Like, how do you imagine the fear that Parker has sitting in New York City of walking outside right now disappear
Dhruv (21m 12s): if you see the US chart for the number of daily active Or the currently Active cases for Coronavirus. It's going down or at least the graph is peaking in u.s. I don't know about us but for Germany it's it's going down right now. Hmm, once this graph starts going down you feel like okay now everything is fine. You should not fear it. Right
Dhruv (21m 34s): right personally for me. I don't fear it anyways, because I have feel like I've already gotten and that's what the test results so sources also shown
Prakhar (21m 44s): also do the video that you It's at positive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
Dhruv (21m 53s): and the doctor said I likely got it even before her much
Prakhar (21m 57s): interesting. I have a fear and I'm going to admit this publicly. I don't know if I spoke so my family has been sick with sick with worry. They call me twice a day that house new only got like New York's pretty fucked up right now like
Dhruv (22m 10s): yeah, that's right. That's right. So, how about your
Prakhar (22m 13s): house? I mean, you know, bro like For a 24 24 25 year-old to stay inside is not something that's like very possible. I could myself I bought an Xbox. I was like listen and I started streaming chess. Do you play chess at all? Yeah, I do like to play the okay will stream together. I'm going to make sure that happens. So I start steaming chess and I doubled down on my content production and I have all these are thousands of books to read all that jazz. So I'm I'm equipped but once in a while, I'll go out for a walk once in a while, you know, I'll got get groceries and stuff like that but early on when this just broke loose I had a friend who called me up and he's like I need a place to stay Colombia is kicked me out and I need to go home and my flights or my buses tomorrow morning.
Can I stay at your the way find whatever stay? Or this guy comes in. He's read a nice panting. I'm like yo you doing okay and he tries to conceal the fact that he was in hospital for Coronavirus like to go but then eventually I got to him. I was like tell me what happened and he tells me it's grown over is I'm like bro, like what are you doing? Right like go into that room stay in there. Do not leave this room and I left the house. I went to my girlfriend's I was like, I'm not going to be a man. Like I don't want to just get by still you're still out there. Yeah. I was not there. He I locked in a room inside my apartment.
Okay. I was like don't leave this room, but I think after that I got a little bit too because I was a little sick headache scarf and all that. Yeah, then it passed. So
Dhruv (23m 37s): that's a mild symptoms. I think most people are getting my
Prakhar (23m 39s): symptoms. Right? Right. Yeah, and that is the the problem right like with this entire phenomenon. We are in a place where much less Legacy Media even the leaders don't understand. What the hell is up? Yeah. How do we go about tackling this problem from all the data that you've read. How do we go about tackling this particular problem?
Dhruv (23m 57s): I think I'm not the The expert to answer that that's why I said
Prakhar (23m 59s): hashtag speculate.
Dhruv (24m 4s): It's very hard to say, I think what the governments of the world are doing right now is the right path forward is like waiting game.
Dhruv (24m 13s): Yeah, and how about this
Prakhar (24m 14s): Costigan happens? Hmm. How's about the cost to economy like house about the 2 crore people who lost jobs in
Dhruv (24m 20s): the United States? Yeah. That's a very very big price to pay. I think they cannot keep the lockdowns for that long. If they don't have the money to support the
Prakhar (24m 29s): people right and not just the money but like no fuel to kick start the engine of the economy. Once you know
Dhruv (24m 35s): the words. I heard that at least in the u.s. They're planning to just print more money and give it to people directly. And it's an economic theory. It may actually work.
Prakhar (24m 48s): So. Americans the English and the Americans spent the better half of the 20th century coming up with political Theory ideas right case comes along canes. Like listen, we will re change this entire ISL All That Jazz write all that happens. Then the Chicago boys Milton Friedman and whatnot. And then Paul Krugman all
Dhruv (25m 6s): these guys are
Prakhar (25m 8s): famous people in America, but in 2008, once the economy crashes America decides the best thing it ever has listen, let's just print more money for no good reason. Yeah people.
Prakhar (25m 19s): What about Bloody in? Shouldn't
Dhruv (25m 22s): it happen though? It did not happen
Prakhar (25m 24s): back then back in 2008. Yeah, I bet I don't remember enough,
Dhruv (25m 28s): but I will just already it barely happened. It doesn't happen because you really need to
Dhruv (25m 35s): I think people don't have the money if you print more money and give it to them they will still use it for the same products and services. They would have used it when before the situation got this bed. Hmm. I think it might actually be a solution to this. Hmm interesting. Testing.
Prakhar (25m 50s): I mean, I'm from from my conservative economic thought and I would always say that you know, you need to trade in some security. You need to give an asset before you start printing money. The value has to be traded for Value. Otherwise, there's too much value in the system and that has all sorts of weird consequences.
Prakhar (26m 5s): Do you by any chance followed novel ramekins on Twitter? No, have you heard of him?
Prakhar (26m 12s): Not really? I'm okay you really like Naval ravikant but never was saying something along the lines of countries are going to But forcefully when white collar people start losing their jobs. Yeah, have you read up on some data about you know white collar people losing their jobs. What is what is the data you've read in the economy of India and such
Dhruv (26m 33s): see the tourism sector the aviation sector are one of the worst affected ones after that. It's the movie industry the entertainment industry. Hmm. But all the white collar jobs, like the tech jobs in all the other anshel related jobs. I don't think they matter at all. You can really work from home for in those jobs. So and
Dhruv (26m 57s): it works I think working from home for
Prakhar (26m 59s): them. And do you think this is our new reality this work from
Dhruv (27m 2s): home stuff? It may be. Yeah, we'll have to
Prakhar (27m 5s): see right right, so it's interesting but you are not much of a speculative like you are a data integral and not not really because
Dhruv (27m 14s): in the past things have happened, like I said something and of course, they it bend the other way. I'm not not in this Trilogy or something and then people complain. Oh, but you said this you said the virus will never go out of
Prakhar (27m 27s): China. Sure. I've seen that actually you thought That right. I think that's some bad
Dhruv (27m 34s): first video. I made in the beginning of February at that point of time. Even the who wasn't that concerned. Hmm. So I just repeated what they said right and that it's not a big thing for people to worry outside China.
Dhruv (27m 49s): Yeah, but of course is things didn't turn out that way. It's right. It's
Prakhar (27m 53s): right a chore interesting. So here's what I'll do and tell me if this helps.
Dhruv (27m 57s): Yeah, let us both take off our coats of responsibility
Prakhar (28m 0s): right now that it does not matter. I'm going to make sure this disclaimer follow through in all videos that ever come out from this episode that there is absolutely no responsibility for a current through were taking their engaging in a creative exercise and they try to see how because here's the deal
Dhruv (28m 18s): if I was to ever host an
Prakhar (28m 19s): event and if I was to ever have a conversation with somebody about the future it is not going to be a forty-year-old. I don't want to do that if I'm 24, I do it with somebody who's my it's somebody who's going to be an active part in the construction of My reality when I'm 40 a 40 year olds going to be bloody 55 he's going to you know, transcend that so
Prakhar (28m 39s): in that sense if we engage in a creative exercise, where are the oil prices going? What do they say about the stock market and the economy? And what is the stock market say about the economy?
Dhruv (28m 50s): But stock market and the economy will continue going back up normally as they were before. I think this is not not much to say about that really every in the his in the history. There has been so many recessions and even a very big 10-year long depression period but as soon as they are over the economy goes right back up,
Prakhar (29m 11s): so I'll ask you this, right. So say for instance you researching coronavirus and its economy and all that be you go. Back and read about the Spanish flu and its Economic Consequences. Do you go back and read about SARS? And what that did to the East Asian economies, right? And then and then do you when you're comparing the two circumstances so Source versus what's it called coronavirus one of the major differences is information technology. Yeah, one of the major differences is social media and news media and all of them ascribing to a clickbait format of things right. Once
Prakhar (29m 44s): the media companies understood that coronavirus was the ultimate Like bit something changed and my bet is that what changed is that fear eradication becomes extremely difficult now my bet about the whole coronavirus thing is that it's not going to go down easily. It's going to be defeated. But the defeating is going to leave a sour taste in our minds and we are going to end up still scared and paranoid. Even after
Dhruv (30m 8s): right. I think the media from what I saw the media was actually doing a pretty decent job of not doing the fear-mongering. Even the next day. I mean I'm talking about the international media. Not the Indian
Prakhar (30m 22s): media. Of course. I don't get why Pakistan's numbers are important for Indian media.
Prakhar (30m 29s): Yes. Why is that happening through why don't you talk about Pakistan more?
Dhruv (30m 35s): I think they need a scapegoat. They need someone to be worse than them just so they can show that they are better than someone.
Prakhar (30m 43s): Yes. It is. Very weird that part of this nationalistic sentiment that is putting communal horror. In the midst of us aims to equate India with the likes of Western Europe America and Canada look in 70 years. We found a way to stick her neck out that we are amongst the big players. Even if you're not winning, we made it we happen to do that. Yes soon as there is a comparison to be made it is almost never against anybody else but like yet Bangladesh and Sri Lanka or an apology Barker.
Why Pakistan is there is this
Dhruv (31m 17s): II will tell you why because bomb Amla dish and Nepal and Sri Lanka are now almost doing better than Indian many respects
Prakhar (31m 24s): interesting house that
Dhruv (31m 26s): I think the Freer press Freedom index is better in those countries. The Democracy index is better. And from what has checked the human development index is better. The happiness index is better. Mmm-hmm.
Dhruv (31m 42s): I mean, of course there's a bias because of the small population also, but right Bangladesh is one of those countries with the very Population density and if it starts doing better than India, then of course we have to introspect and see where we went wrong.
Prakhar (31m 57s): Right? I mean in your analyses of the in situation one might claim that through has a very let's say eurocentric picture of what is ideal that through points out the departure from a normal that is constructed in 20th century Europe and America, right? Like
Dhruv (32m 15s): yeah, that's true. I do consider like countries like Norway Sweden New Zealand to be the peak of development and where every country should look upon to and try to take inspiration. I'm not saying become exactly like them but take inspiration.
Prakhar (32m 34s): Have you been to any of those?
Dhruv (32m 36s): Yeah, of course, which one's your favorite the time like Which one's your
Prakhar (32m 41s): favorite? in in the sky death
Dhruv (32m 47s): in the practical sense like How do you say in a factual and data sense? I would say Norway is the best country in the world. Uh-huh. But as a personal preference for me Iceland is the best country in the
Prakhar (33m 2s): world, really so I've been to Finland Sweden Norway Denmark. Yeah, and all of them are such novel places. Like I saw people biking in Denmark ministers going into the parliament on cycles. And for me, I was like in covid terrorist leader dragon and like imagine the Mother that we carry with power in India is like you're powerful you're being targeted right and even Norway for that matter Oslo. And what was that one fishing Village that we went to in the north somewhere
Prakhar (33m 33s): across the fjords. I'm missing its name, but I remember this is like back in 2014 or something. So six years ago. I was 18 and I look at that place and I'm like, this is where I want to die. Like it's beautiful. It's beautiful broke the who wants to die in New York City to what about at the moment. It smells like shit outside. Like I don't want to die in New York City. I Either dial India as I want poop to be smelling right? I die or
Dhruv (33m 54s): earlier many many Indians. Consider New York City to be their dream
Prakhar (33m 58s): destination. Amen. It's the world the world in part has a crush on New York City because New York is a city, but an amusement park.
Dhruv (34m 7s): Yeah. It's an
Prakhar (34m 8s): amusement park. Have you ever been to New York? Not really? No. Oh my God. Okay together. You're going to come. I'm going to show you around you if you like there is I'm sure Germany has an insane party culture like that's part. That's partly my crush on Germany's to you know, get around to let's
Dhruv (34m 25s): see how that's so the perception is from the outside.
Prakhar (34m 28s): But in Brooklyn you can start parting on Thursday evening and do not stop the like Monday morning. And in that sense, you can just go from one drinking place to one shopping place to one entertainments. We are to our parting place and just continue doing that and that's what you like about me or kiss like this charm of Lights the Sinister accessibility that incites the monkey in us gets people to New York. Yeah, so what
Prakhar (34m 55s): would you say that once you hold Sweden Norway Germany, maybe not Germany, but the Scandal countries as the Pinnacle of human development. Yeah, isn't there a problem with heterogeneity and homogeneity in that comparison? India is massively massively heterogeneous. There is just so
Dhruv (35m 14s): much happening. Very good question. Actually, that's that's something people say that those countries became that good just because they were They had a very heterogeneous or homogeneous population. Most people had a similar culture similar values and I'm not really sure how to answer that. It may be the case.
Prakhar (35m 34s): Right? Like it's very difficult to sort that data out to like how do you do that?
Dhruv (35m 38s): It's very hard to say then again. You have the whole European union and they are a part of you and just being a part of EU means that you can travel and work in other countries you can live in other countries, so So in a way you consider Europe as one whole continent and you can compare it to India. The people can go across different states and work in different states where different states speak different languages also write in a way. It's not that homogeneous Italians are very different from Swedish people. Of course,
Prakhar (36m 15s): there was something very interesting that I got into a discussion with Somebody in Punjab, so I was interning somewhere in Punjab and part of my job was to go to all these cultural educational blah blah blah, like all these public sector sites that they have and I was in there are so they call. So have you heard of that? Not not really never asked the Khalsa is a museum on the secon Sikh history
Prakhar (36m 38s): in anandpur sahib, so it's this one like what are the best museums in India hands on real quick? There is no claim there is no but like I cried in that museum. That's how well the experience is made and I'm not much of a crier. I was speaking to this gentleman who was walking me around and I asked him I was like so how is the college that Rani sentiment now and a Japanese like its it is pretty non-existent in comparison to what it was 40 years ago. There's like I'm sure there are some residual complaints and he's like the complaint is that we'd rather have the the national government the central government give more power to the states that we get more Federal in that
Dhruv (37m 10s): sense. Yeah, exactly. What do you think about that? Yeah. I think that's a very good thing very good idea and India should start doing that. It is just two such a big and such a diverse country that the central government should not deserve to take decisions on many state matters in very it already. Does that some states are given more Independence compared to others like the northeastern states and in some states, you cannot buy land and stuff.
Yeah. So overall it would be a really good idea. And I also understand why in the beginning it was not like that because the country could have disintegrated. Very easily if
Dhruv (37m 51s): if the makers of our constitution big make it like that, but I think now we have come far enough that there is enough National Integrity that we can start redistributing the powers to stay.
Prakhar (38m 2s): Hmm. One of the other things that holds me back from commenting on Indian politics is the intricate history, right? Like there is so much that is historically determined and that I'm often and it's often so confusing that sarkar has both people who praised him and People who point out character flaws
Prakhar (38m 21s): and how he influenced Gandhi and how Gandhi in the hell would you know all that starts happening how thorough are you on all of that? How much have you read on the history of Indian politics
Dhruv (38m 29s): all that much not that much I would say because I don't really it's interesting to read but it doesn't have that much of a practical importance. I only read the part where I felt like it was relating to the present. Mmm-hmm. So
Prakhar (38m 45s): I'm sure when people point out flaws in your left wing argument because I'd say you were a liberal right like you're yeah, I would also say so right when they point out flaws in your left wing argument. I'm sure they come from a place of historical significance when they're like usin with shabarimala and you heard my podcast with her. She'll tell you listen. This is the culture behind it. This is the tradition behind it and so on and often me for one who Champion gender egalitarians mm be like listen, let the women in when I hear that I'm like ha I didn't see that. I'm stumped. Yeah.
Dhruv (39m 15s): He has a good point to make actually I would admit to that regarding specifically the Supreme Allah issue because it's very hard to I mean both sides are right in a way you're going you cannot
Dhruv (39m 27s): say where you draw a line between the tradition and
Dhruv (39m 32s): making
Prakhar (39m 33s): progress. Right, right. It's very difficult. You say I'm very difficult to make a line. Yeah, but funnily enough organically tradition involves all the time, right
Dhruv (39m 43s): like definitely all the time. Yeah, and I
Prakhar (39m 46s): think I think I'm very much for free markets and all that. But the free markets have shown that with enough competition they collapse massively
Prakhar (39m 57s): right? So if there is enough competition in the free market evolution of Sabrina's case, it will latch onto the most radical version of itself to Bennett's privacy the example is clearly in the media sector, right? So here is what I think and you were talking about how media so I think with the V schor or one of them, you know, making media channels 24 hours is such a bad move. And in that moment. I was like wow man, like a why had I never thought of this but I had an alternate explanation.
Yeah, you remember India TV the oral India TV? Yep. Do you remember old India TV like mm? Once again,
Dhruv (40m 35s): you talked about aliens and start. Yeah,
Prakhar (40m 38s): right. So in a typical News Channel, yeah, but India TV figured out very early on that. Listen we can get into this rat race of who gives the most accurate information or let's tell people about monkey man and how aliens abducted something in all of that. They realize that there is an entertainment angle to information provision.
Dhruv (40m 55s): Yeah. I think they're they were one of the earliest ones to do that. Yeah. They were they were they were the pioneers and they were the
Prakhar (41m 0s): pioneers of something very similar to what even pressure and Drew were doing in the sense that There is information to be given let's make it a little entertaining right? Yeah. So these guys figure that out. They were like, okay. This is what we'll do then social media started pressuring Legacy Media for attention people were more happy consuming news on Facebook on Twitter on Instagram
Prakhar (41m 19s): and then I will be like, let's just borrow some part of India TV because it seems to work it seems to get the trp. All right. So as soon as there was enough pressure in this particular economic demand Supply sphere everybody latched onto the most radical the X but no other metal wire if I'm talking about to vomit, I have a gun in my hand and I'm dressed as a nun and this 400 news media channels in India. Yes, sir window vernaculars and the you know national languages and such then there is all this competition from social media eventually everybody realize it's better to sell entertainment and the busy people of India the common man has no time to catch up to the fact that the entire landscape changed when they were asleep, right?
That is what I think terribly went wrong with the Legacy. Bo yeah, they got too busy making money which is part of their function but it is entirely at Crossroads with a duties right now. Do you remember when I was a good I would say in the future hmm.
Dhruv (42m 19s): It can change when the people themselves realize it. I think one of the reasons why news became so entertaining and people started latching onto it is because the entertainment past part was not providing enough entertainment it
Dhruv (42m 34s): Ain't good in that sense enough to fill the void. That's why this
Prakhar (42m 40s): happened fill the word is interesting because I think Bollywood which is the you know, the Pinnacle of entertainment in India. Yeah does exactly that it fills the void.
Dhruv (42m 51s): You know what it does, but there's a big section of entertainment which is still missing in India thing. Like what I would say, it's more more than the sense of reality TV shows or something. It's this it hasn't really gone much into it. Most of the entertainment you see are like sasebo cereals which are very very boring if you think about it or this still running
Dhruv (43m 15s): I think so, he's given me their size but
Prakhar (43m 19s): many last bottle Do they can
Dhruv (43m 21s): I have to say like most of the entertainment channels are not that entertaining know even for us like we know about that Republic TV entertainment because even we find it entertaining right
Dhruv (43m 34s): but the actual entertainment we don't find it entertaining right try to make it was a need for a change there. Also.
Prakhar (43m 42s): Let me let me give you an example of that again. So this author I really prefer listening to his name's Daniel Dennett then it was talking about his friend. Who writes books on Magic he writes Booker Indian street magic and very often people will go to his friend and be like wait, are you writing a book about real magic? And he be like no, I'm writing a book about perform able tricks and all that stuff. Right? And the fact is that is real magic tricks are real magic real magic is not real magic because it's not possible.
Right and it's sort of like this is like entertainment is not entertainment. It's a Time killer. Yeah use is entertainment with with some amount of information and it is entirely unclear where I go. I think the Indian space has been including myself has been so slow to adapt to YouTube
Prakhar (44m 30s): to adapt to Twitch to adapt to all these other sources of information. Do you find that to be similarly the case
Dhruv (44m 38s): that's also true in a way because most of the people are still stuck on their TV and whatever is being shown to them. They just see they just have only option they have is to switch the channel. It's amazingly right and I really highly reduces the amount of options
Prakhar (44m 54s): they have what is it that you consume? What's your source of and I'm not just focused on information. But what's your source of artistic inspiration to?
Dhruv (45m 6s): There's many different sources. I hardly ever stick to one source. Sometimes it's red it sometimes it's some other TV shows sometimes it's Netflix movies.
Prakhar (45m 17s): It's a big variety. Have you heard of this? Fantastic podcast called PG radio?
Dhruv (45m 24s): Yes, although I have to say I'm not really yours your podcast was one of the first podcast I ever listened to
Dhruv (45m 32s): because I never The idea of listening to podcasts that much hmm.
Dhruv (45m 38s): It felt like to me that if I'm gonna listen to something then might as well watch the video also, it's more entertaining
Prakhar (45m 45s): in that sense. And absolutely you are people don't understand you are not you are not supposed to consume podcasts in a lockdown. You were supposed to consume podcast when you walking around
Dhruv (45m 54s): with ya think the stats are really understood. Like when I consumed your podcast, I was having a walk in the nature right you
Prakhar (46m 0s): like me. What do I do with my hands, but what do
Dhruv (46m 3s): ya I know
Prakhar (46m 6s): I mean I but I understood
Dhruv (46m 8s): that then yeah,
Prakhar (46m 9s): but maybe you did you enjoy my podcast
Dhruv (46m 12s): tell me you didn't play. It was very engaging.
Prakhar (46m 14s): Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I mean it took me a while to realize I'm a conversationalist enough to you know, put skin in the game in that in that sense. Whereas like, you know what let's just try and fly with it see where it goes.
Prakhar (46m 27s): I am curious because this hasn't brewed this issue that I'm going to bring up next hasn't brought to the extent. I think it will in the coming. In the coming months, but let's try and see what through has for an early opinion. We will disclaim this again through has no creative responsibility of this opinion. I take entire responsibilities if you want to attack come to Africa because he first group to opine on it. What do you think about the whole arnab goswami situation? In what aspect like
Prakhar (46m 54s): so aspect one is the attack and we can sub aspect it by saying if it happened or not, but I think for the most part given you know how the response is. It probably did it probably did really did right. So now that the attack has happened that is a question mark on the freedom of press right? Yeah. Here's what I'll say about are not as a you know statement.
Prakhar (47m 17s): I used to love Arnold back 10 years ago 15 years ago. He Fantastic journalist some part of me wanted to be like he was he was getting all these powerful people in and he was taking that case as he was making sure they were answerable and then he sold out and I feel so betrayed by him personally somebody who I looked up to as the Pinnacle of Indian journalism is now a sellout right so but even still even still he was attacked for his journalism for saying something he should not have said number one. What do you think about that aspect to what do you think about the entire
Dhruv (47m 50s): lens at school? I won. Let's go one by one. What do I think about the attack attack is obviously wrong and I do not support him where I also think he exaggerated the attack part because it seemed like an ink attack to me and I remember when ink was thrown on other people like kejriwal. For example, he's one of the first people to just say drama ink drama so he should introspect himself,
Prakhar (48m 19s): but then again, Obviously even
Dhruv (48m 23s): I do not support income tax in any way also
Dhruv (48m 27s): and whoever did that is actually if it was really Congress workers. They're very foolish because they should realize that it will give him more sympathetic right any kind of attack
Prakhar (48m 37s): on him. And that's why exactly I'm doubtful. Like I hate the idea. Now when I have to say there's
Dhruv (48m 45s): many stupid people who would not in think about these things. They're just like, oh we have to show show him. You know how we are and then you're going to do this this
Prakhar (48m 55s): if you met these people have you met these stupid people?
Dhruv (48m 59s): I see it often like right social media the type of comments. I see I feel like they could be one of those people because for me
Prakhar (49m 7s): I have barely met people. Extremely stupid like I might stupid people, you know people who don't think things through but extremely stupid people have been rare but in assumptions in characterization through sits across his friend and he's like this guy I spoke to brother extremely stupid, but it's probably stupid is not extremely stupid, you know, like so I really think we will be like, okay if we attack him and we are definitely not out there to kill him. You don't throw ink on his face that's is going to get him more sympathy. Do you not think that would it that's why I'm I'm more of the if category if this attack was not staged or Any of that?
Yeah, I think through stuff like that.
Dhruv (49m 42s): Yeah they do but I think the population is so big that they will always be some outliners. Even if it's 0.01 percent of
Prakhar (49m 50s): the people write write write a Char solid. So it's it has a and what do you think about the critical journalism that are not under takes even if it's one-sided where he's like this and I'm not going to be afraid of calling Sonia Gandhi with her real name either. What do you think about that kind of Journal? It's
Dhruv (50m 11s): I don't know what to say. It's just form of entertainment at that point. Yeah on a scale of 1 to 10. How seriously do you take her number?
Prakhar (50m 20s): Zero, come on given one. I said one to ten. You are like, let's be reasonable here. I think behind all the screaming if I sit down long enough to listen to our enough. I will find something that's kind of useful.
Dhruv (50m 35s): Alright course, I think of course, but I do think he's a normal person and he does it only as a means to earn money or get more popular or something like that. So one of
Prakhar (50m 48s): these reasons imagine if you woke up, Then realized that screaming is my superpower. That's how I'm going to make money so that the second aspect of the entire situation is what follows because I think this will make into a bigger Free Speech free media coloring it more as as if the left is trying to curtail the media and not the right kind of an issue. Do you expect something like that to happen?
Dhruv (51m 16s): Of course, they they do it all the time. Like they only know how to twist the Ants or there's a huge section of these right-wing people thralls, and I T-cell employees. All they do is just twist arguments into just how they can show their one up all the
Prakhar (51m 32s): time. But my question is, why does why does round on the not have this resource like for me? I'm like the why is it that only one person has so much power. I'm sure there is a close second. I'm sure rolled on the or whoever leads Congress now has
Dhruv (51m 50s): The ability to form out these i t cells and cutting-edge multiple multiple reasons behind this. One of them is bjp's literally the richest party in India by long long. Margin. I think I don't remember the exact data by it's like they got 2,000 corrodes. Of income in one year compared to Congress getting 400 corrodes or something. It's that big of a margin. So if you have more money, you have more Machinery power and everything else you moreover. Once you are in power you do corruption.
There's a very big difference. I feel is there between BJP and Congress when Congress politicians do corruption. It's for themselves and when BJP politicians do corruption. It's for the party.
Prakhar (52m 37s): The money goes to the party. Hmm
Dhruv (52m 39s): because they strongly believe in their ideology and they feel that and this is the second reason I think that they have a stronger team of workers or fans I can say is that their ideology is very strong and it's clear what the exactly want and where
Dhruv (53m 0s): they wanna get that no matter
Prakhar (53m 2s): what the Congress has been extremely unclear in articulating what they stand for the BJP on the other hand has been more clear and there are few historical reasons. I think I often say this I'm speaking to my mother yesterday. I was like, do you remember when we used to say something like India metal as I shall die? Where did I go? Yeah, right because that was a genuine problem the UPA. I was an inactive force of governance. They would do nothing.
Dhruv (53m 27s): Like I think people in general tend to like more This is this is this isn't the right
Dhruv (53m 34s): word. Yes divisive. This is the size of decisive decisive decisive. Yes, the correct word right people in general tend to like more decisive leaders.
Dhruv (53m 46s): I think even if the decision is wrong and we see that with more the all the time he just takes a decision sticks to it never apologizes and people enjoy
Dhruv (53m 57s): people think they're following someone who knows what he's Doing
Prakhar (54m 3s): I think Manmohan Singh's silence. You know, those are famous mean back then when one's in silent and everything. Yeah, I think that really cost us. I mean and yes, I'll admit to it frankly 2014 I started off as very promotive. I was like I need this change we
Dhruv (54m 21s): name the same. Yeah, and then as
Prakhar (54m 23s): yours progress as like where's that change? Where is a change? Where is that change and by the time the economy started showing its colors and all these communal just there was a spike in communal tensions. I was like man like why can you not make this easy for me? Why can you not be the good guy right now? I have to now to say both of them are bad guys. Like what do I do from here? Right but it's it's not just that they're they know what they want and they're saying what the it's I think that is an emotional component that is involved with all of this.
So it's like my parents your parents and our grandparents spent 40 50, 60 70 years, you know building this country from nothing from genuine slavery these guys This country up so we could shoot an X up and be like, okay, we are you know, we are solid power in the world, but the Congress and they're elitist Garb never allowed us to feel proud about it. Yeah. Yeah, these guys capitalize on that Pride that was late and we present and then we mix those colors with communal colors with real several colors traditional colors and something which was very genuine authentic and needed so self pride because we are a very self shaming people.
We are very self hating people write English Mubarak during a Hindi man occurring are you know like that kind of Stuff it really triggered the this self identity within me. So then I am proud of the fact that we can do something like that. But the other contaminants that got involved are very stubborn, right and my question is what happens. How do we get rid of this flavor that is taken on our people.
Prakhar (55m 60s): I don't see this going away. The rhetoric does not just pass like ball aside talk Ray's Legacy still arrive in is alive in Mumbai are like Just really does anything they want because besides hacker used to live back then how are we going to get rid of this? What do you think is going to happen?
Dhruv (56m 16s): I think people need to be exposed more to the rest of the world. There's two to stuck among themselves and in their own pride and ego.
Dhruv (56m 29s): They just the scope needs to be broadened just Expanding their Horizons or what they believe is possible and how the world works and everything
Prakhar (56m 39s): II follow that I follow that is going to be very difficult. And I think people like you hopefully if you're like myself hopefully I'm not I'm not nearly as you know influential as you yet,
Prakhar (56m 49s): but people like you and I are going to have a very active role alternative media is going to have a very active active role in trying to undress
Dhruv (56m 56s): ring. Bring this change.
Prakhar (56m 57s): Yeah, right. So what do you think? Where does this alt media movement that is? Relatively, very popular in the west right? There will be intellectual dark web in America and Canada and there is all the stuff that keeps popping out even in Europe for that matter. India has none of that except that he and a minimum sacred who do that alternative Media stuff by themselves separately. What do you think the movement goes from here? Do you see more people dropping in?
Dhruv (57m 22s): Yeah, definitely. I think it's a very open-ended question. It's it's like it's like asking where do you see the future of technology going from here?
Prakhar (57m 32s): I mean, that's that's the whole intent. That's that's the premise of my podcast is let's speculate on stuff. Yes, I'm asking right like, where do you go from your do you do more of this? Do you do less of their I keep doing more of
Dhruv (57m 43s): this? All right. So you're going to Diversion like more it a me and you
Prakhar (57m 48s): I mean carrier, I'd be ideal. Shy of putting us in the same category for too long cause I don't deserve that yet, but I totally understand. I totally understand. Have you considered have you at least from say three people who you think are very interesting within this field that you know, you believe in
Prakhar (58m 4s): that you think have it in them to you know, cause some sort of a change in the way people think definitely have you considered leading these people in have you considered leading the war against fake news.
Dhruv (58m 16s): This is I mean in the sense that Sam dick, there is no war going on against fake news. I'm not at as a war against coronavirus and there is a war
Prakhar (58m 24s): against Phil Hughes. Let's not deny that I follow I follow what you mean.
Dhruv (58m 29s): There are people yes, and I do think more and more people are coming up like for example, alt news, you know, pratik Cena and there's another interesting Channel called search on YouTube.
Prakhar (58m 42s): I would have learned top. Have you heard of learn top
Dhruv (58m 45s): yellow lentil it's more trying to mix in the traditional media. The alternative media. All right. All right. All right. All right.
Prakhar (58m 54s): What are you looking forward to for the rest of the year?
Dhruv (58m 59s): My own projects actually. Yeah Maya my videos that I have planned to do it in different places. So you yeah you are you going to mix traveling? And yes, definitely I have been eagerly waiting to travel more but I don't know when that will be
Prakhar (59m 14s): possible. So like how do you plan on mixing this if I may ask
Dhruv (59m 18s): you saw the videos Right There Was You must have seen some videos in Australia. I saw I saw
Prakhar (59m 24s): some value was sitting on a bench and talking in like in a park something like that. I don't drink. Video from Australia.
Dhruv (59m 31s): Okay, there are some videos. I've already done that a lot. There's one video in Amsterdam where I talked about how the biking their Works how the cycle culture works I see one is there is one video in a in a mini country in Australia. There is a small country which claims itself to be an independent country within Australia, Tasmania.
Dhruv (59m 52s): No, no, you probably didn't heard of it. It's called Hot River. I haven't. Yeah, it's a
Dhruv (59m 59s): almost a micronation sort of thing and I went there made a video with the person who made it. It's very interesting. It's something that opens your mind up to the possibilities in the world, you know, because
Dhruv (1h 0m 12s): Indians don't know about these things and they don't know what all is possible. It's just to open up your thinking basically,
Prakhar (1h 0m 21s): I definitely think once you travel and you discover that everything you do should be done in an opposite way and it still works changes your life forever. You like? Oh you can eat with a knife like for us to be just like her elbows and I think it's perfectly fine. But you certainly hope you can use paper to wash your ass. Like my PR has changes everything
Dhruv (1h 0m 40s): everything that every aspect also right even in the way you think and the way the whole system works in the world works.
Prakhar (1h 0m 49s): All right. Do you have any questions for
Dhruv (1h 0m 50s): me? Not really now. None of them know not really here. You asked you you already told me a lot about yourself by overdone
Prakhar (1h 0m 60s): it. Mayor, I am socially very interactive and more prepared to
Dhruv (1h 1m 6s): answer questions. Then do us
Prakhar (1h 1m 8s): question right now. I follow that I just generally let people if they have any questions like I asked me some but TK this has been fantastic man. I've had a good time picking your mind. Let's see if you can plan a test real soon. No, no, and I hope you enjoyed it. I hope I was
Dhruv (1h 1m 23s): definitely it was a very enlightening discussion. I think we should haven't had that ever I think because most of the times people do interviews, it's not That deep into the stuff, you know mold not as random random is not a bad word here
Prakhar (1h 1m 42s): is gonna from the get that I get that
Dhruv (1h 1m 46s): you're sleepy will focus on the same same old things again. And again, why did I start? What am I doing Etc is
Prakhar (1h 1m 54s): right. I mean when I was writing the the themes that I wanted to discuss with you, I wrote the first he was like listen. I have so many places to go with you. I hope This is going to be a first of many because I just cannot Encompass the length and breadth so we are ready
Dhruv (1h 2m 9s): to do it again. Yeah, I will hit you up for
Prakhar (1h 2m 11s): sure. I'm not letting you be in fact, I'm doing one more bit up in and then sometime next week and it was because the first thing the first conversation I got so lost with fake news and see a that. I just did not pick his mind up on alternative Media or for that matter like all these other things. So this the at least with him hope to make it recurring but let's let's try one more. I'm time very soon. Sure. Sure. Just keep me posted. If your help man. Take care. Tell your friend. I said hi.
Dhruv (1h 2m 39s): Okay, okay. Have a good time. Thank you. Bye brother.